So I guess my first question for you,
since the year is coming to a close, has '52'
worked for you the way that you hoped it
would?
The short answer is "Yes." The first
goal of accumulating a lot of songs that I
feel represent me well and are quality songs,
I think I've done a good job of that and
being an independent artist and surviving
without much help from anybody else for a
year doing this stuff. I really enjoy doing
it. But the longer answer, it really has
taken a toll on just my desire to create in a
natural way. I just kind of got in the habit
of writing songs instead of letting it come
to me. And that's a strange feeling since
I've definitely been pushing myself in a way
that maybe I shouldn't be. Most of the weeks
I don't have that feeling, but occasionally I
come across a week where I'm like "Ehhh, I
don't really feel like doing this." And I
just have to push through and make the best
of the situation and that's a touchstone that
I sort of knew was going to happen, but it
shouldn't be happening [laughs].
Well, has it really been where you've
written one song each week, or have you maybe
taken a week where you maybe wrote two or
three songs and recorded them and got them
out of the way and then maybe took a few
weeks off?
It was more that, it was more of
the second thing. Occasionally there was a
week where I felt really productive and I'd
write a bunch of songs and then take a few
weeks off where I didn't do anything music
related. I haven't been in a situation where
I've been like falling asleep at night
wondering what I'm going to do. I've always
made at least something that I'm proud of and
something that I feel like is representative
of where I'm at. I've come up with something
every week somehow, so, I hope that makes it
through the rest of the year.
As far as pacing and writing songs, has
this been more or less freeing than working on a
traditional album?
I think it kind of depends on how
you look at it. In a way it is freeing to be
able to write something and be able to put it
out almost immediately. But at the same time,
I guess I err towards the other answer, which
is that it's less natural. It's a little less
straining in the sense that I don't have time
to sort of hone, to some extent, to revise as
much as I would like. Lucky for me, I don't
think I've had many weeks where I've needed
to revise a whole lot. There are only a
couple songs where I've been like, "Ehh...I
wish I hadn't put that out just yet and I
probably should've done better with that line
or that line." You know it really just
depends on how you look at it. For me, from
week to week it's kind of different.
You've said throughout the year that you
don't think that you need a label to be
productive and profitable in music. Do you
still believe that?
Yeah. I
feel like what I've done this year is proof
of that. I don't think you have to write 52
songs to be productive and profitable in this
industry, but I just don't see what big
labels these days really have to offer. If
you know people who know other important
people, not at a label, but if you can
connect with people who can help you it
doesn't really matter if they are part of a
label or if they're part of something else.
Like if I know somebody who is a music
supervisor on a TV show, for instance, I have
an advantage maybe. And some labels don't
have those connections and we really are
stuck because they really bank on selling CDs
in stores and that's not happening anymore.
I'm in much better shape than I was.
Do you think other musicians out there
might take your lead and do something
similar? Would you ever recommend it?
I think there will be more
things like it. I don't know that people will
do exactly what I did. I don't know that I
would recommend it either. Because, like I
said, there is something kind of unnatural
about what I'm doing and I would prefer that
every song that I wrote to be just, coming
out at the time that it's supposed to come
out as opposed to this-has-to-come-out. You
know? But I do think new ideas of getting
music out to the public is not something that
is going to go away. I think it's a trend,
and I don't think I started it. I think it
started before me, you know. Writing 52 songs
may not be the right way. It's just my way.
You mentioned that at times thoughout this process you felt pushed to complete these songs. What was
the hardest moment?
There have been a lot of
hard moments. I think probably the hardest
thing to do, which is also the smartest thing
to do, is push myself to create differently.
And I'm not talking about recording to a
schedule anymore. I'm talking about
instrumentation and experimenting more than
I'm used to. That was a good thing for me to
do. And half of the time it worked and half
of the time it didn't. It was hard to come to
terms with that. I probably could've put out
52 songs that I wrote on guitar and that
could've been it but I wanted to do something
a little more well-rounded and a little more
just bravery I guess, to just go where I
haven't gone on past records. So that's
something I'm proud of and that was also very
difficult.
When you felt pressured, where did you pull the
inspiration from?
Besides out of my ass? [laughs] I
guess I read books occasionally. I asked
friends for ideas. Or I didn't ask them, I
just thought about what they're going through
and talked about it. There's too many songs
to write for this thing. I can't possibly
write everything about myself so I have to go
outside of myself for inspiration. And I was
able to do that I think in an affecting way.
Just finding other people and finding that
they're going through something interesting
and just talking about it.
Earlier this year you said that the
recording process was limited to what you
were capable of pulling off. I was wondering
if you ever invented any creative ways of
breaking out of that or brought in anybody to
help you out with those things?
A combination of the two have emerged. I
don't think that I'm a much better engineer
than I was before, but I kind of figured out,
with the couple of microphones that I have,
where to position myself, how to EQ my voice,
how to press this knob and don't do this and
use this. And that came with just experience.
And then, yeah, I did have a couple of
friends teach me a couple of things about
that. I primarily recorded on the
Apple product Logic, and, like I said, it was
just a combination of a couple friends of
mine who are just well-versed in that, and
sitting around and figuring out what works
and what doesn't and now it doesn't take me
nearly as long as it did back in February to
record.
With all of the songs you have done so far
for the project, which one is your
favorite?
This is a tough one.
There's a few that I think are at the top of
my game, I would say. A couple weeks ago I
did a song called "Mercy" that I think is one
of the best things I've done. Earlier this
year I did a song called "The Weight" that
has sort of passed this test of time. Some of
these songs I've put out and then I kind of
forgot about them because I had to move on to
the next song to write and I don't know if
I'm ever going to really remember them until
I listen to them. "The Weight" stuck around
in my head and I want to play it every night
that I have to play and do a show, and that's
how I can tell that it's something that's
going to last and be a great song. Those two,
and then there's one called "Dead End
Driving" that I did in September that I think
are at the top of the list.
Because you have received so much
attention for this project, are you at all
afraid of being categorized as this gimmicky
thing or do you think that people will think
"Oh, he's on to something" once this project
is over with?
Well, I would hope that people would listen
to the songs. The idea of putting out this
much material is obviously kind of a shocking
thing to hear. But judging me based on that
is kind of selling me short. If you listen to
the songs it becomes a whole different thing.
I'm really proud of what I've done. I think
I've written a lot of good stuff. I would
hope that people would really listen to what
I've done.
What do
you think is the biggest lesson that you've
learned from 52?
How do you
answer that? Hmmm. Never to do it again.
[laughs]
Well, I guess that I know I can do
something like this. There was some doubt in
my head about finishing this when I started
and I guess the lesson I learned is just not
to underestimate what I can do, musically,
and not to sound pompous or anything, but I
think I have a lot of creative flow right now
with what I'm doing and I want to write more
than I ever have in my life. And doing
something like this was obviously a very
difficult thing because I had to come to
terms with the fact that I had to put that
much out. But I did it and I kind of proved a
lesson to myself that I can handle something
like that.
Since the year is
coming to a close, what are your plans for
2009 or will you be taking a lot of time off?
Well, I'll be taking some
writing time off, for sure. I am going to put
out the best of 52 album. I'm not sure what
I'm going to call it yet, and it's all based
on fan voting so I'm not sure what songs are
going to be on it either, but once it's
through I'll probably put it out in the
springtime next year and I'm sure there will
be some boring tour. I won't be doing 52 next
year, but I won't rule it out for the future
though. But I don't have any plans to do
anything like it. I feel an album of the best
stuff from this should take me through next
year and we'll see where it goes from there.